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Cynthia Phillips's avatar

I really appreciate your work and this information. It validates my gut reaction to retaliatory gerrymandering. I agree with what you said below about partisan Democrats. Republicans plan for Democrats running around like chickens with their heads cut off and then shooting themselves in the foot.

I hope your data breaks through. At this point, I have a lot more faith in Texas Democrats than National Democrats to understand the math.

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Sam Wang's avatar

From a resource allocation standpoint, it might make sense for Texas Democrats to flee the state and prevent a quorum. There's a fine of $500/day/member. Honestly, Democrats would probably get more bang for their buck by paying that fine, rather than all this panic.

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ArcticStones's avatar

Fascinating analysis! You write: "The Texas gerrymander is only likely to yield 3 additional seats. Ohio will only add 2 or 3 seats. These offenses are manageable."

As I understand it, the gerrymander of North Carolina was sufficient to give Republicans control of the House after the 2024 elections. Perhaps you can confirm or point out that I am wrong?

In my opinion, neither Democrats nor America can afford to insist on "principles" if the consequence is ceding power, perhaps for years or decades to come. What Trump and today’s MAGA Republican Party are doing with their power is just too heinous and damaging! Moreover, they are continuing to increase their power, including filling federal courts with highly-partisan and often-unqualified judges that are going to decide legal challenges. We are, tragically, living in a time when the Roberts–Alito led court seems willing to find that the Constitution itself is "unconstitutional"!

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Sam Wang's avatar

It is incredible how dense partisan Democrats can be when they are in a panic.

I understand the emotion, but really, stop and think about whether you want to set parts of the building on fire that do not help. All-out warfare *will not actually help.*

As a direct answer: I have written about this before. Any gerrymander that produced 3 or more seats could be said to be determinative of current House control. That would include North Carolina, Texas, and Florida, as well the combination of UT+TN+IN.

However, it would be hypocritical to ignore similar offenses by Democrats, such as Illinois, NV+OR+MD, and the attempted gerrymander in New York state.

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Ted Kalo's avatar

"I understand the emotion, but really, stop and think about whether you want to set parts of the building on fire that do not help. All-out warfare *will not actually help.*"

This is one of the arguments that needs to be had. I'll stop for a second on your use of "all out warfare" and set that aside as a straw man.

The question to me about decennial redistricting and other norms we value is not about tit for tat, it's about creating consequences and deterrence.

Right now, no elected Republican I am aware of is consistently sticking up to Trump against the most egregiously unconstitutional acts I've ever seen, likely in the history of the country. Some are not dong anything at all, others are actually facilitating.

On the micro - What if him pushing too hard on Texas means Illinois Republicans are worried about the consequence of losing their seats? - Maybe they speak up and call a halt to the whole thing.

On the macro - if every response is proportional to the offense - only the same number of seats in return - then what's the risk for Republicans? It's only that their misdeeds will amount to a wash, and only if they can't use other constitutional transgressions to head that response off the pass the next time around - more states, more seats or using whatever advantages they have (overtly partisan State Supreme Courts for example) to override state legislatures.

But if they know their aggression will have consequences - if they take a few seats and even more of their Members lose theirs - I hope they will have the motivation to sit down together and have a conversation about how none of us want to be in this precarious position again and that some of the norms we took for granted for centuries need to be made into easily enforceable rules.

I hope that's not "dense" or full of "panic" (though I am really freaked out about where this might be going.)

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ArcticStones's avatar

IMHO, the core problem is that the Roberts Supreme Court openly decided to allow egregious political gerrymanders. SCOTUS had the opportunity to put a stop to all this! As I recall, you yourself worked hard to prevent that.

That said, a key question is: what are the respective parties using their power to achieve?

Trump and the MAGA-Republican Party are using their power to inflict damage to American democracy itself that may prove exceedingly difficult if not impossible to undo. The ongoing purge of federal agencies, Trump’s impoundment of Congressionally-approved funds, and unprecedented rescissions, are but three examples of this.

These are not normal times – and Trump’s "marching orders" to state governments to seize power through not just extreme gerrymanders but also other means is unprecedented and deeply dangerous.

PS. I hear what you are saying, but Trump and MAGA politicians are doing far more than just "setting parts of the building on fire!" In recent negotiations, Senate Minority Leader Schumer couldn’t even get the White House to release Congressionally-approved funds. Obviously that should have been an easy bipartisan low-picked fruit.

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Pechmerle's avatar

The quorum-breaking tactic is now in use, as of this weekend.

The Texas Tribune has an excellent article summarizing the history, which is that as a practical matter quorum-breaking in Texas has never ultimately prevailed.

https://www.texastribune.org/2025/08/03/texas-quorum-breaks-history/

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Sam Wang's avatar

Have they ever had a walkout with national attention and millions of dollars in potential support?

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ArcticStones's avatar

Thank you for posting this informative article.

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Pechmerle's avatar

National attention: yes.

Millions of dollars in support: no, but.

Tribune article addresses both of these topics, and also why there is more involved for the walk-out legislators than monetary concerns.

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Sam Wang's avatar

Wow, Jim.

Let me say as a scientist whose funding and career are at risk, as a child of immigrants whose citizenship is in question, and as someone who has worked to make democracy operate better in a dozen ways that you cannot imagine, that you are totally clueless.

I'm going to let your foolish comment stand, but only because you evoked a more rational response from Drew Weiss.

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Drew Weiss's avatar

I like strong language and have no problem calling out fucking assholes when they pop up but, Sam Wang is hardly any kind of asshole, fucking or otherwise. I think he's wrong here. Not in his analysis which is excellent and persuasive, but in his conclusions about how to respond. I'm convinced that there are only a few seats at stake in 2026 and that there the Republican gerrymandering spree has pretty much gone as far and done as much damage as it can reasonably go. That said, this is not the time for measured responses. This is the time to finally stand up to the GOP and start playing the game by the rules they have imposed. The same can be said for the Senate, where the democrats spent their time in control being respectful of tradition as Mitch McConnell and now John Thune manipulate and ignore those traditions. Its a matter of standing up to bullies and thugs by using the weapons that they have introduced.

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